Revamping Magic

Session Start (moc.evil|eltrutyppah-anit#moc.evil|eltrutyppah-anit:Group Conversation 23271): Sat Aug 08 18:49:48 2009
[18:49] Shadowcaller: Shadowcaller säger:
Hmm… this got me thinking of our own "system" we use within the IF, why for example can wizards use spells aa certain number of times during a period of time?
[18:50] Happy: you can always change it and pretend it's always been that way
[18:50] Murska: hai
[18:50] Shadowcaller: Yeah, we could
[18:50] Shadowcaller: But I need something that makes sense and isn't too unbalanced
[18:51] Murska: I've always found the concept of having a certain amount of energy for any spells making more sense than having a certain amount of each spell. *Shrug*
[18:51] Shadowcaller: Yeah, sorcerer style
[18:51] Shadowcaller: But what is this energy anyway?
[18:52] Shadowcaller: Physical? Mental?
[18:52] Shadowcaller: Mana?:P
[18:53] Happy: try reading the fate rpg magic section: (Link:
[18:53] Happy: they come up with several different setups
[18:55] Shadowcaller: Hm, you need to download that
[18:55] Happy: it's a pdf file
[18:55] Shadowcaller: Also, Hope's holy energy thingy and healing…
[18:56] Shadowcaller: And why are undead weak against "holy" things anyway?
[18:56] Happy: because they're unholy
[18:57] Shadowcaller: This computer don't have anything that can open that file >.>
[18:57] Happy: they're anti-life
[18:57] Happy: you can't open acrobat files?
[18:57] Shadowcaller: THis computer don't have acrobat I think
[18:57] Happy: can you download acrobat?
[18:57] Shadowcaller: I will
[18:59] Shadowcaller: Anyhow, undead to me made by magic, like animating a object
[18:59] Shadowcaller: Maybe hope's holy thing is "anti-magic"?
[19:00] Shadowcaller: That would make it a bit more powerful, especially against wizards and elementals
[19:00] Murska: Or maybe it's a burst of Hope's energy forcing the whatever animating the undead out of it.
[19:00] Happy: that makes sense, since anti-magic is what Cessie and the others used to fight the worm
[19:01] Murska: Hm. I thought that they referred to the worm's form of 'magic' which isn't related to the normal magic as anti-magic. *shrug*
[19:02] Happy: I'm not feeling good tonight :(
[19:02] Murska: v.v
[19:02] Shadowcaller: Yeah… you woke up feeling ill:(
[19:02] Murska: I never know when you wake up since neither of us initiates a conversation. »
[19:03] Shadowcaller: I'm the bridge:P
[19:04] Shadowcaller: Well, I don't really have anything to do except chatting so its not really a suprise
[19:06] Happy: i used to initiate. But then I've been really low energy for weeks now
[19:09] Shadowcaller: Compared to what?
[19:09] Happy: compared to how I was for the month or so prior to that
[19:10] Shadowcaller: A long slow phase? Maybe it might have something to do with the fact that we had a summer break or something?
[19:13] Happy: yeah. it could be.
[19:13] Happy: well my energy was really good at first right after i got the paperwork done. then it went way down again
[19:14] Shadowcaller: Now lets see if I can view that thing…
[19:15] Shadowcaller: Yay, something works on this computer
[19:16] Shadowcaller: Err… anyway, the worm is made by the third type of energy that haven't been named yet. In the way I see it, there is spirit energy and magic energy.
[19:18] Murska: Magical energy = energy from the elements?
[19:18] Shadowcaller: Yeah
[19:18] Murska: while spirit energy is more 'chi' or 'mana'-style
[19:19] Shadowcaller: Yeah
[19:19] Shadowcaller: As to repeat myself
[19:19] Happy: brb food
[19:19] Shadowcaller: Elemental magic can't create something out of nothing like spirit magic can
[19:20] Shadowcaller: Elemental magic just is just a way of summoning things from the elemental realm
[19:20] Shadowcaller: The spirits have to "create" a body for themselves once they manifesting
[19:21] Shadowcaller: And can then remove this temorary body once they demanifest
[19:21] Shadowcaller: Gods have both spirit and elemental energy
[19:21] Murska: elemental magic is more limited but theoretically more powerful due to using a powersource other than one's self.
[19:22] Shadowcaller: Yeah, spirit energy is much more limited to the invidual.
[19:23] Shadowcaller: You exhuast yourself much more while elemental magic don't take any tool upon the body
[19:24] Murska: Elemental magic relies on how much power you're capable of bringing and the molding of said power into the shape needed is taxing(on something. What?), more so the more complex the required form is.
[19:26] Shadowcaller: Yeah, fire and other things that already exist are easy to shape, as is light.
[19:26] Shadowcaller: But the more fire you summon, the harder it is
[19:29] Shadowcaller: Hmm… maybe the wizard must "will" the energy into this world, since we already confirmed that everything in the elemental plane is a part of a "hive-mind" of sort. The more you will energy into the world, the more resistant the energy becomes to your will until you can't do anything at all. You need to wait a while before this resistance lowers again
[19:31] Happy: Sort of like inertia?
[19:31] Shadowcaller: What?
[19:31] Happy: eh, never mind. I see what you're saying now
[19:32] Shadowcaller: Well, dose that make sense?
[19:32] Happy: it does, yes
[19:32] Happy: so how do experienced wizards have more power than new ones?
[19:33] Shadowcaller: The more they use their will on the plane (over time) the more the permanent resistance drops
[19:34] Shadowcaller: I guess this means every wizard have a number of total spells they can use each day instead a number of each spell
[19:34] Shadowcaller: Unless its a really complex spell (that the GM decides) then it takes more "charges" to cast
[19:35] Happy: or you just do it the way we do with physical energy, and say they're getting tired when it seems appropriate
[19:36] Happy: using spells in a combat situation probably takes more energy than casting a spell when there's no pressure. that sort of thing
[19:37] Shadowcaller: Hm, but its spirit energy thats supposed to take a tool on you. Cessie haven't really got tired when she casted spells before
[19:37] Shadowcaller: Unless in extreme cases
[19:37] Shadowcaller: We must save this disscussion by the way
[19:37] Happy: but getting tired from exerting your will against resistance makes more sense than 'Oops, I'm out of spells'
[19:38] Shadowcaller: I guess…
[19:38] Shadowcaller: Spirit energy just take a greater tool
[19:39] Murska: Spirit energy is your own energy
[19:39] Murska: so it can be very dangerous to overuse and such
[19:39] Murska: using will vs. resistance just makes you mentally tired
[19:39] Happy: yeah. just like if you stayed up all night studying hard
[19:39] Happy: not dangerous, just tiring
[19:40] Shadowcaller: Makes sense
[19:40] Happy: which makes things like flight more interesting…. if you start getting tired, you might fall out of the sky
[19:43] Shadowcaller: Hehe, true

[19:43] Shadowcaller: And it makes it much harder too, you constantly need to summon energy from the plane
[19:43] Shadowcaller: While a fireball just take a singel effort
[19:46] Murska: Not to mention fly-spells on multiple people.
[19:46] Shadowcaller: The question is… how do that work with Arik being a lich? Maybe thats spirit magic?
[19:47] Murska: Well, first we need to specify what 'being a lich' means.
[19:48] Shadowcaller: Hm, well my version was that he like he replaced his normal body with magical energies (aka you need to keep your brain)
[19:48] Happy: or he bound himself to the plains somehow
[19:48] Murska: Some sort of a powersource? Yeah
[19:49] Murska: a channel with a certain amount of constant energy
[19:49] Shadowcaller: He have made himself into a artifact of sort
[19:50] Shadowcaller: Since they seems to be able to constantly summon energy
[19:50] Murska: Yeah.
[19:50] Murska: That oughta make magical artifacts, other than one-shot ones, rare and powerful.
[19:50] Murska: Very tough to create but once the activation cost is paid, they have a constant channel
[19:55] Shadowcaller: Hmm… I guess those spirit arrows Saranna created only was good for one charge then
[19:55] Murska: they were quite hastily created anyway
[19:56] Shadowcaller: What artifacts have we seen anyway? The first one was at Isawanna right?
[19:58] Murska: think so
[19:59] Shadowcaller: Or the ring was the first one… and Cessies stone
[20:00] Shadowcaller: But I think Cessies stone rather is something material brought from the elemental plane of fire
[20:01] Murska: Hm. I was thinking, in line with Saranna's unfocused stone, of it being a stone, magically infused somewhat, which is then bound to an elemental plane
[20:02] Happy: Aegnor's ring was supposed to be made out of the wood of the Tree, to allow him to communicate with it. But it sort of morphed frm there into something more
[20:03] Shadowcaller: Okay… I guess its spiritually conected to it since its a part of it
[20:04] Happy: well the origin can be changed if you like
[20:05] Happy: since he talks to all spirits, and not just the tree
[20:05] Murska: I guess it sorta awakened his inner ability.
[20:05] Shadowcaller: Yeah
[20:05] Shadowcaller: Contact to such a powerful spirit…
[20:05] Shadowcaller: Or is the tree a spirit?
[20:07] Happy: a sort of spirit. it can't leave the mortal realm
[20:07] Murska: mind of the tree
[20:07] Shadowcaller: It was made by the elves right?
[20:07] Murska: yup
[20:08] Shadowcaller: Well, then it can't be a spirit since you can't really create them
[20:09] Happy: but it's alive too. making living things isn't normally possible, except for reproduction
[20:09] Murska: They used the whole elven forests to create the trees
[20:10] Shadowcaller: SO they bonded spirits of the forest to a hive mind of sort?
[20:11] Murska: Just a single mind.
[20:11] Murska: no hive
[20:11] Happy: the nymphs and such who lived on the tree could feel it
[20:11] Shadowcaller: Hm, so they bonded one spirit to it then?
[20:14] Happy: Or did the spirit sort of emerge from all the living things that made it up?
[20:14] Shadowcaller: Hm, I guess that makes sense
[20:16] Shadowcaller: All living things have some spirit energy and enough of it together made it conscious
[20:19] Shadowcaller: Anyway… that will make the game a bit more intresting me thinks
[20:19] Shadowcaller: So should we start it?^^
[20:20] Happy: i was going to GM it, but i don't eally have the energy :(
[20:20] Shadowcaller: We could do some random talks and such maybe…
[20:26] Murska: …
[20:26] Shadowcaller: Um, any ideas?
[20:26] Murska: nnno
[20:26] Shadowcaller: Darn, you never have ideas >.>
[20:27] Murska: yeah, I'm a dull and unimaginative person
[20:27] Shadowcaller: Not really:P
[20:27] Shadowcaller: But I think I might have figured out your play style…
[20:31] Murska: oh dammit
[20:31] Murska: time to go change it
[20:32] Shadowcaller: ^^
[20:38] Shadowcaller: .
[20:39] Happy: so what is his play style then?
[20:40] Shadowcaller: Erhm, the only thing I really know is that he tries to involve emotions and smiles in his defence posts once he's a wolf
[20:40] Shadowcaller: Tries to defile the logic
[20:43] Murska: Who, me? :P
[20:43] Shadowcaller: You
[20:47] Murska: Well, I would have some things to say about my MO but obviously I'm not going to say any of them.
[20:47] Shadowcaller: Of course
[20:48] Murska: Luckily it's rare I have to defend from actual logical logic. :P
[20:49] Murska: cuz it's horrible, I have to be illogical instead. »
[20:49] Murska: I hate writing things I know to be illogical and making them seem like they aren't
[20:51] Shadowcaller: Don't know anything about that >.>
[20:52] Happy: I hardly ever get lynched
[20:52] Happy: So usually I just beg and use the puppy eyes smiley
[20:52] Shadowcaller: Evil!
[20:53] Shadowcaller: Needs to be purified by burning light!
[20:55] Shadowcaller: Hmm… Aegnor speaks to Michicora?:P Or Cessie speaks to Naib? Or Naib speaks to Michicora?
[20:55] Happy: but my streak has been broken lately. after being lynched in kyou, i've since been lynched early in alchemists and witches
[20:59] Murska: I usually get lynched or killed midgame.
[20:59] Murska: Early on, if I actually care, I can often argue enough to get support while lategame if I'm alive, I'm probably not going to die
[21:00] Shadowcaller: My inactivity makes me a seldom target
[21:00] Shadowcaller: But anyway, what do you think of those conversations?
[21:00] Happy: yeah. Me and Murska tend to get noticed
[21:01] Happy: and i think i've finally convinced people that i'm not a delicate flower who must be protected from lycnhing
[21:02] Shadowcaller: I think it started around S.E.U. III…
[21:02] Happy: heh
[21:03] Happy: At least the real werewolf nuts won't hesitate to lynch me - you guys, Jontom, Mustiado, FC
[21:03] Shadowcaller: *pokes Murska*
[21:03] Shadowcaller: Indeed
[21:04] Shadowcaller: They don't care about gender, and neither do I or Murska for that matter
[21:07] Murska: hmm
[21:07] Murska: I wonder how many games would be won or lost if the villagers would just decide in the start on who to lynch by random
[21:08] Shadowcaller: A intresting question
[21:08] Murska: nightkills included, say, start from the longest names and end the game with Fin surviving
[21:08] Shadowcaller: Damn that Fin
[21:08] Murska: in the game where that came up, Fin was a wolf.
[21:08] Murska: :P
[21:09] Shadowcaller: *points Murska to my question above*
[21:09] Murska: I don't think.
[21:09] Shadowcaller: Huh?
[21:09] Murska: 'What do you think of those conversations?'
[21:10] Shadowcaller: …what dose that mean?
[21:10] Happy: He's being lazy and doesn't want to make a decision, obviously
[21:11] Shadowcaller: *sigh* Do any of those conversations sound intresting?
[21:12] Murska: yup
[21:12] Shadowcaller: Well, which one would you vote for?
[21:12] Shadowcaller: And which one makes most sense?
[21:12] Murska: bah
[21:12] Murska: fine, I'll go check what they were
[21:13] Murska: Hmm. 1-1 conversations all of them.
[21:13] Murska: and none of them have any pressing reason to converse that I can think of so none make more sense than the others
[21:14] Shadowcaller: Well, Aegnor and Michicora isn't at the best terms
[21:15] Shadowcaller: Either of these disscussions needs a subject to talk about
[21:17] Shadowcaller: They need to defeat the "akward zone" and stuff
[21:18] Shadowcaller: To have something in common…
[21:19] Shadowcaller: Um, can you come up with anything Happy?
[21:21] Happy: Give Michicora a reason why she needs to talk to Aegnor?
[21:21] Shadowcaller: Hmm…
[21:26] Shadowcaller: Okay, Aegnor is still in his tent I assume?
[21:27] Murska: prolly
[21:27] Shadowcaller: Aren't you supposed to know that?:P
[21:31] Shadowcaller: Hm, both chats dead? o.O
[21:32] Murska: very.
[21:32] Shadowcaller: What are you doing?
[21:32] Happy: i was making an index for ffrp
[21:33] Happy: i should do the werewolf schedule now
[21:33] Shadowcaller: Put my warcraft game there somehwere
[21:33] Shadowcaller: *somewhere
[21:35] Shadowcaller: Darn, don't fail me now chats
[21:36] Shadowcaller: I don't want to go to bed when normal people go to bed o.O
[21:38] Shadowcaller: What are you doing Murska?
[21:38] Murska: Overlord 2
[21:38] Shadowcaller: Also, did you save this discussion Happy?
[21:39] Shadowcaller: Ohh… that explains your inactivity
[21:40] Happy: i haven't saved it yet, but the log is always there
[21:40] Shadowcaller: Okay, good
[21:45] Happy: SC, which game are you running on Jan 11? Mirrodin? Or something else?
[21:46] Shadowcaller: Warcraft
[21:46] Shadowcaller: The game I posted in central
[21:47] Murska: so there won't be any conversations then?
[21:47] Shadowcaller: You didn't seem that intrested >.>
[21:50] Shadowcaller: Are you?
[21:50] Murska: sure

[01:40] Happy: (yeah, hopefully)
[01:43] Murska: (yeah, we've been putting it off for half the last week)
[01:44] Shadowcaller: Well, not enough energy and stuff, you start school next week right?
[01:45] Murska: tuesday.
[01:45] Happy: (do we have to have the funeral onscreen though? Is anything going to happen?)
[01:47] Shadowcaller: Um, well… not really I guess
[01:52] Murska: so, nothing more today?
[01:52] Happy: i still have hopes of eventually getting back to a normal sleep schedule
[01:53] Happy: the period when i was, I had the most energy
[01:53] Shadowcaller: We would need that too
[01:54] Shadowcaller: With school/university and all
[01:56] Shadowcaller: Hm, how much did Aegnor like law really?
[01:57] Murska: Eh. Some?
[01:57] Shadowcaller: SOme?:P
[01:57] Happy: well she pretty much told him he ruined everything and that she would stop him
[01:58] Shadowcaller: Well, she is still the largest part of Cessie, by that logic, he should like her >.>
[01:58] Murska: well, a question 'how much did you like X'…
[01:59] Happy: how much does Law like him is the real question?
[01:59] Happy: And Curiosity is almost as strong
[02:00] Shadowcaller: Law… well, she likes Aegnor. But not what he is doing to her
[02:00] Shadowcaller: She's afraid to let go
[02:00] Happy: why doews she like him? He's sort of the opposite of everything she stands for
[02:00] Shadowcaller: She don't know that herself either:P
[02:01] Shadowcaller: She just feel drawn to him for some reason, whatever she might say to him
[02:04] Shadowcaller: But while she might like him, she don't like him as much as the others. She would never have intercourse with him for example
[02:05] Happy: that's sad
[02:05] Shadowcaller: Why?
[02:05] Happy: if it's the largest part of her, and she doesn't love him or trust him enough for that…
[02:06] Shadowcaller: Its all relative, none of them actually are the real Cessie
[02:06] Shadowcaller: They are just fragments of her
[02:07] Shadowcaller: Law just want a deeper kind of relationship
[02:07] Shadowcaller: First that is
[02:07] Shadowcaller: THe others are more physical
[02:08] Shadowcaller: Heck, law is the eternal virgin
[02:10] Murska: nooooothing to do tonight? v.v
[02:11] Shadowcaller: Hmm…
[02:11] Shadowcaller: Well, more Aegnor/Cessie… Hope/Naib?
[02:12] Happy: Hope's player is going to bed
[02:12] Shadowcaller: I see, so should Aegnors player:P
[02:12] Murska: nah, I'm playin' Starcraft anyway
[02:12] Murska: and Overlord 2
[02:12] Murska: and Chaoslauncher
[02:12] Murska: and Defcon
[02:12] Shadowcaller: I mean, school is starting and you *really* need to get a new inner watch
[02:13] Murska: but I need something to do so I don't get bored
[02:14] Shadowcaller: Hm, how long was it since… well I don't think Aegnor have energy for that anyway >.>
[02:14] Murska: :P
[02:16] Shadowcaller: Hehe, law would only have talked to Aegnor all the time
[02:16] Shadowcaller: I think that might have been a bit frustrating for him >.>
[02:16] Murska: heh
[02:17] Murska: well, without the glade-encounter I don't think he'd have had the courage to initiate anything at least for a time.
[02:18] Shadowcaller: You know, every time its Cessie who takes the intiative
[02:19] Happy: That's because Cessie is socially awkwrd, but she is not at all lacking in self esteem
[02:19] Happy: While Aegnor, who can manage social situations just fine, has a deep fear that he's not good enough
[02:21] Shadowcaller: She hacven't convinced him of that yet?:(
[02:21] Shadowcaller: haven't
[02:21] Happy: Murska, has she?
[02:21] Murska: Somewhat.
[02:22] Shadowcaller: What will it take then? She lives for him basically, all that self esteem she have steams from him
[02:22] Happy: not from her magic?
[02:23] Shadowcaller: Um, that too
[02:23] Happy: exactly
[02:23] Shadowcaller: But all her social self esteem
[02:23] Happy: and she has always been surrounded by people who care for her
[02:23] Happy: or at least respect her
[02:23] Shadowcaller: Thats very true
[02:24] Happy: when she was injured, Seren and Saranna were both worried about her
[02:24] Happy: Hope and Aegnor would have been too, if they'd been conscious
[02:24] Happy: She's never had anyone look down on her
[02:24] Shadowcaller: Except some other students >.>
[02:25] Shadowcaller: But she liked her home and she is hopeing she will return some day
[02:25] Shadowcaller: *hoping
[02:26] Shadowcaller: So she is keeping the ideals of her home alive
[02:27] Happy: except for the part where she hangs out with a chaotic elf and an illiterate barbarian
[02:27] Shadowcaller: Well, she is changing >.>
[02:28] Murska: Aegnor really wasn't experienced in actually caring about someone so he was very afraid of having to leave them if he said or did something
[02:28] Murska: back early on
[02:29] Happy: And Hope was just so scared of being alone
[02:29] Shadowcaller: Ugh, but what would she need to do to show him that she would never leave him no matter what?:S

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