New Dys 87

[16:42] Happy [8]: [16:39] Shadowcaller: [22:26] Murska: 'Tell you what. You tell us everything you know already about the possibilities and methods of killing Miranda and everything you can find out without more risk to your own person than the chance of an arrow killing me in the next two hours and we give you the information Simone has.'
[22:26] Murska: 'Us first, of course.'
[16:40] Shadowcaller: "Very well, your stubborness have at least lead to a deal I could possibly accept, information against information."
[16:40] Happy [8]: (Link:
[16:41] *** Aegnor has left the conversation.
[16:41] Shadowcaller: (Nooo!)
[16:42] Happy [8]: "And if you learn any more information about it in the future, you'll pass it along free of charge."
[16:44] Shadowcaller: "Sure…"
[16:45] Murska: 'Well, that should work.'
[16:45] Shadowcaller: "Yes, shall we go on with this then?"
[16:46] Shadowcaller: "I have already wasted enough time arguing with you,"
[16:46] Happy [8]: Simone steps into the circle.
[16:47] Shadowcaller: Simone dosen't feel anything special.
[16:48] Happy [8]: She steps out again.
[16:48] Shadowcaller: A chuckeling sound can be heard from the shadows "Really? This is *so* perfect…"
[16:48] Happy [8]: Simone sits back down next to Aegnor, leaning against him a little.

[16:49] Shadowcaller: "You have no idea what this even means do you? "
[16:50] Happy [8]: "I knew it was valuable information."
[16:51] Shadowcaller: "Pick a spot, three days from now I will have the book ready for you."
[16:52] Murska: (.)
[16:52] Murska: (Hmm)
[16:52] Murska: (Am I still here?)
[16:52] Happy [8]: yes
[16:52] Shadowcaller: (Yes.)
[16:52] Murska: (Good. I had an idea today)
[16:52] Murska: (Get some explosives and stuff. Go to some area with natural resources and near lots of floating ice on the South Pole)
[16:53] Murska: (Threaten to blow the ice to cause massive flooding if someone attacks)
[16:53] Murska: (And claim it your own nation)
[16:54] Shadowcaller: (Right, before Happy fades >.>)
[16:55] Murska: 'Hmm. Well, I think we might need all three days.'
[16:56] Shadowcaller: "I can give you more time if you wish."
[16:56] Murska: 'Nah. The sooner it's over with, the better.'
[16:56] Shadowcaller: "I concur."
[16:57] Shadowcaller: "So, where?"
[16:58] Murska: 'Do we need to pick a spot? Can't you just send it into a circle once we make one?'
[16:59] Shadowcaller: "No, I need to send certain servants to that location to oversee the prodecure, to make sure everything goes as planned."
[16:59] Shadowcaller: "It's mostly for your safety really."
[17:00] Murska: 'Mostly, eh. Well, since we don't know yet where we'll end up at…'
[17:01] Shadowcaller: "There is a quite clear land mark, the grey tree, gallows end. Just outside Eastgate."
[17:02] Shadowcaller: "Just ask one of the locals where it is once you arrive."
[17:03] Happy [8]: "Okay. Your turn then."
[17:03] Murska: 'I suppose we'll try to get there, if it seems reasonable.'
[17:04] Shadowcaller: "Resonable? You will need to get there anyway, unless you like to travel throught the Duwner without a experienced guide."
[17:04] Shadowcaller: "It's a heavily demon or oni infested area."
[17:05] Shadowcaller: "Of course, now that you no longer need to get to Worlds End… I still have Promises task to cash in however."
[17:06] Shadowcaller: "But enough of that, you had a question?"
[17:08] Happy [8]: "Go on."
[17:09] Shadowcaller: "Go on? Where?"
[17:09] Shadowcaller: "What should I go on with?"
[17:09] Happy [8]: "Did you forget what we wanted already?"
[17:10] Shadowcaller: Helios sigh "Arch-liches only exist on a theoretical level."
[17:10] Shadowcaller: "Well, until today that is."
[17:11] Shadowcaller: "My precursors have dealt with the house of Neverath quite a lot, but I thought they are were dead or had been absorbed into any of the other houses."
[17:12] Shadowcaller: "Her existance proves otherwise however…"
[17:14] Shadowcaller: "But a arch-lich is a divided energy source, serval artifacts ripping up the elemental plane for a stream of energy, all streaming into one invidual. The arch-lich is powered by these nodes of energy. If you would destroy her current body, she would just take another one near one of the power nodes."
[17:16] Shadowcaller: "From my memories, I can tell you that Jillian is quite bright, so these nodes are most likely hidden deep in the sea, a desert… normally unreachable places."
[17:17] Murska: (Fetch quest time!)
[17:17] Shadowcaller: "I'm sure some of them are at more accesible ones, but she have most likely placed some at locations only she can find. Thought, since she needs a body to move around, she needs to keep some type of residue material at these locations. And normally corpses rot, right?"
[17:18] Happy [8]: "She can't reform deep in the sea though."
[17:19] Shadowcaller: "You mean beacuse of the presure? It's a possibility, but on high moutains… they can be almost everywhere."
[17:20] Shadowcaller: "And you would need to destory each one, a impossible task."
[17:20] Shadowcaller: *an
[17:20] Happy [8]: "But wherever she turns up, she still has to actually make her way physically back to wherever she wants to influence events."
[17:20] Shadowcaller: "Thats very true, so at least one or two of these things are placed around here."
[17:21] Murska: 'How many are there?'
[17:21] Happy [8]: "So if we find and destroy those, we'll at least put her out of the way for a while."
[17:21] Happy [8]: "How long would it take her to make a new one if one were destroyed?"
[17:22] Shadowcaller: "Can be any number really. And making new ones… I'm not entierly sure since arch-liches haven't existed until this very moment, at least in general knowledge."
[17:23] Happy [8]: "It can't be easy to do though."
[17:23] Happy [8]: "How long does it take a normal lich to make their phylactery?"
[17:24] Shadowcaller: "Many years, thought an arch-lich would need different types of power structure so it might take even longer time."
[17:25] Murska: 'Or shorter.'
[17:25] Shadowcaller: "I was just about to say that dear Aegnor."
[17:26] Murska: 'Well, you know how much time she has had. How many would she possibly have if we assume the time is roughly the same as a lich's phylactery?'
[17:27] Shadowcaller: "Officially, Jillian died 289 NE while she was just around 30."
[17:29] Happy [8]: /And now that you know what she is, do you have any reason to want her alive?/
[17:29] Shadowcaller: "Some of her books about necromancy are still sold in certain circles however… but it's hard to determain how long she can have worked on this."
[17:30] Shadowcaller: /I doubt you would be able to kill her honestly, but if she wishes to kill the worm and is telling the truth, I have no real reason to wish her dead at least./
[17:31] Murska: 'Any reason to want her alive?'
[17:31] Murska: er
[17:31] Murska: scratch :P
[17:31] Murska: didn't notice //
[17:31] Happy [8]: /I said I wouldn't try until after the worm was destroyed/
[17:32] Shadowcaller: /I still wouldn't want her dead after the worm was destroyed./
[17:32] Happy [8]: /Why not?/
[17:33] Shadowcaller: /If she is a Nevarath, then there is knowledge to obtain./
[17:33] Shadowcaller: /WHy?/
[17:33] Shadowcaller: /I could ask in repsonse really./
[17:33] Happy [8]: /Could you imprison her?/
[17:34] Shadowcaller: /I prefere other types of prisons really, physical ones tend to be easily broken./
[17:34] Happy [8]: "You saw what she claimed. She's a monster."
[17:35] Shadowcaller: "If I would decline monsters… many of my dealers have morally questionable attitudes, but I do not decline them for that reason."
[17:36] Shadowcaller: "I'm very open to new ideas."
[17:36] Shadowcaller: "If the tree was able to contain the worm so long, then maybe it was a good thing?"
[17:37] Shadowcaller: "Or bad? I can't tell without further information."
[17:39] Shadowcaller: "I mean, this plan seems more like a plot of revenge then have any logic basis."
[17:39] Shadowcaller: *then to
[17:39] Happy [8]: "And?"
[17:41] Shadowcaller: "Well, I as you know, prefere to let logic guide my actions instead of feelings, but from a moralic perspective I guess your actions might be justified… or not. Depending on what type of moral you use. Then again, there are other types of logic as well, but moral is way too complex in my opinion to let yourself be guided by it."
[17:41] Shadowcaller: "Fools have disscussed it for years without any satisficationary answer."
[17:42] Happy [8]: "But you won't try and protect her, right?"
[17:43] Shadowcaller: "Not unless I have a very strong reason to do so, no. I belive she is perfectly capable of defending herself."
[17:43] Murska: 'You're such a protector of the weak after all…'
[17:43] Shadowcaller: "Maybe killing her is a good thing logically? Who knows?"
[17:43] Happy [8]: "Surely someone with that much power is a threat to everyone."
[17:44] Shadowcaller: "Tell that to the gods…"
[17:44] Shadowcaller: "Or any major kami, elemental, deep thing… wizard. There are many dangerous inviduals in this world and some of them actually serves me."
[17:45] Happy [8]: "If she's the one who controls the worm, she's behind the attempt to kill the gods, wouldn't you think?"
[17:46] Shadowcaller: "Hehe… well let's just say I know who let the worm into the gods realms now. Not that this information is accesible for you."
[17:47] Happy [8]: "Why not?"
[17:47] Shadowcaller: "It will be revealed in due time… but right now it's in my intrests to keep that a secret."
[17:48] Murska: 'We'll simply assume it was you in the meanwhile.' Aegnor smiles slightly.
[17:48] Happy [8]: /It can't be purchased?/
[17:49] Shadowcaller: /No, I have very good reasons for keeping it a secret actually./
[17:49] Shadowcaller: Helios lowers his voice "Shhh… don't tell the other gods."
[17:49] Happy [8]: /Interesting/
[17:49] Shadowcaller: /It will get even more so later on, belive me./
[17:51] Murska: 'Is it possible for it to lower their opinion of you?'
[17:52] Shadowcaller: "Hey, I still provide them with a lot of information of the mortal world. Artaris, Nega and I have a understanding."
[17:52] Shadowcaller: "We all have our functions, the major gods are like a team see? Too bad Kuori and Norhold aren't that happy at the moment."
[17:53] Shadowcaller: "They have problems functioning really, too strongely guided by "moral", thought Artris have this problem as well, he can make make sacrifices."
[17:55] Murska: 'Well, they'll die out at some point.'
[17:56] Shadowcaller: "But the knowledge lives on… and I'm planning to do that as well, remember?"
[17:56] Murska: 'So has everyone before you, and so will everyone after.'
[17:57] Shadowcaller: "Eh, I have a shot at it, those orbs…"
[17:57] Murska: 'We'll see. Maybe you will.'
[17:57] Murska: 'You'll likely end yourself eventually, however.'
[17:58] Shadowcaller: "Really? How so?"
[17:58] Murska: 'After an eternity of knowing and experiencing everything, don't you think the one last thing you still don't know won't start to draw you more strongly?'
[17:59] Shadowcaller: "I doubt it, there are more worlds then this one, endless spawns of realities and universes waiting for me."
[18:00] Murska: 'It's unlikely they're endless. But who knows.'
[18:00] Happy [8]: (ask about Norhold's claim to know what happens after death)
[18:00] Shadowcaller: "I'm planning to live to the end of it all, then I will experience that too eh?"
[18:01] Murska: (Why me? Aegnor assumes it just to be stupid nonsense like everything most gods spout out)
[18:01] Murska: 'Go ahead. And have a good journey.'
[18:01] Happy [8]: (because Simone wasn't there)
[18:01] Happy [8]: (and I want to know Helios's opinion of it)
[18:02] Murska: 'Norhold claims to know what happens after death.' The small smile is there again.
[18:02] Shadowcaller: "And so dose every half-baked god that wants to gain followers by mystic."
[18:03] Shadowcaller: "Lot of claims, nothing is really confirmed. So I'm going to belive him as much as I belive any of the others with the very same claim."
[18:04] Murska: 'Why would what happens after death matter while one is still alive, anyway.'
[18:04] Happy [8]: "He's a monster too." Simone mutters.
[18:05] Shadowcaller: "Norhold? He follows the rules of a specific moral, just as you do Simone. Maybe they think your a monster eh?"
[18:05] Shadowcaller: "In the end, we all are monsters in one way or the other."
[18:06] Happy [8]: "I killed one man, in self defense. I never burned a city."
[18:06] Shadowcaller: "Have you eaten meat?"
[18:06] Happy [8]: "Of course."
[18:07] Shadowcaller: "Then your a monster in the way many druidic cults and spirits see things."
[18:08] Murska: 'It mostly pays off to stay in the moral guidelines of dominant societies.'
[18:09] Shadowcaller: "Hm, well in Kyrus is perfectly acceptable to kill persons if you raise them later."
[18:09] Murska: 'Just anyone?'
[18:09] Shadowcaller: "Not everyone of course, my point is that every action can be seen as evil by a certain point of view."
[18:10] Murska: 'Probably. But that's why everything is relative.'
[18:10] Happy [8]: "It's not relative. My city is /dead/. Hartago is /dead/. Norhold is no better than the worm."
[18:12] Shadowcaller: "Hartago wasn't totally exterminatet you know, and Norhold did actually have a good reason for going into the town, from a logically point of view, but the grade of "purging" is discusseable."
[18:12] Shadowcaller: *discussable
[18:14] Murska: '/I/ think they did wrong. I think the worm is evil, and thus I'm trying to kill it. That's enough.'
[18:14] Shadowcaller: "If you think it is, it is."
[18:15] Shadowcaller: "Moral is too complex really, if you can't follow it all, why follow any?"
[18:15] Murska: 'Because it's there for a reason.'
[18:15] Happy [8]: "Don't you have lines you won't cross?"
[18:16] Shadowcaller: "As Aegnor said, everything is relative, no rules can be applied to this."
[18:16] Shadowcaller: "So it depends on the current situation. I can't say there is anything I won't absolutely do."
[18:17] Murska: 'However, generally it's best to follow the principles that apply to most sets of moral guidelines to a certain extent.'
[18:18] Shadowcaller: "You need to adapt to the current society or world you in, yes. Correct."
[18:19] Happy [8]: (I'm going to go rest now)
[18:19] Shadowcaller: "I mean, there is moral codes that would look completely alien to you. But I would try to adapt them the best way I can if I came in contact with such a society."
[18:19] Happy [8]: (Assume Simone just sits and listens)
[18:19] Shadowcaller: (See you later, going to eat soon >.>)
[18:19] Murska: 'So even though in theory you can always find some loophole to make some act the correct choice in a situation, in practice it's better to do the 'right' thing.'
[18:20] Shadowcaller: "Not in every situation thought."
[18:26] Shadowcaller: "So… are we done here? Are we going to meet at the grey tree at gallows end?"
[21:45] Murska: 'Yeah, sure.'
[21:47] Shadowcaller: "Perfect, I assume that you use the uttermost secretcy? No one is suppose to be there but a very limited group of people. Preferably only… very few of you. Technically, we don't even need you at all."
[21:48] Murska: 'So we don't need to go?'
[21:49] Shadowcaller: "Hmm… well I can't just contact Jillian, so I suppose I do need you there."
[21:50] Shadowcaller: "And I doubt you want to miss it, am I right?"
[21:50] Happy [8]: Simone doesn't say anything. She's looking more like a child at the moment.
[21:51] Murska: 'I suppose.'
[21:53] Shadowcaller: "Great, I will see you there then. I promise it will be spectacular."
[21:54] Shadowcaller: "Farwell…"
[21:54] Shadowcaller: The shadows dispatches.

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